hello everyone welcome to follow him favorites if you've been following us this year you know the routine John and I take a question from each week's lesson to focus on John this week's lesson is on the book of Jobe so the question becomes I think really easy and on this is a question that hasn't just been asked by our students but it's been asked by all human beings throughout all of time and that is why suffering why do bad things happen to good people on this planet so John if we've got listeners out there who were wondering that same thing why is there so much suffering what would you say what can I get from the book of Jobe in other scriptures that will help me at least maybe not answer this question completely but give me some semblance of peace I love that you said maybe. Answer this question completely because on the book of Joe all these things happened to him in a matter of a few versus he loses everything and chat
 you're one and the next 41 chapters are trying to figure it out just some amazing things happen. I love that as friends, first and they just sit with him now they don't try to explain it they don't try to say in it and as soon as they do try to explain it that's when things kind of actually get worse because they're well maybe God's doing that so maybe God's doing this in there in error as they think all maybe you said that you know that sort of thing with such a good question such an ancient question and it comes down to the youth team. Do you trust God there's a purpose and a plan will you will you trust him when you don't have the answers right away you know that verse Hank that we all love and Abraham three orders at 2425 the kind of gives a purpose of life type of statement right I will prove them now herewith to see if they will do whatsoever the Lord their God shall commend them and I like to add even when it doesn't
 make sense and see if I wonder what Joe will do when everything goes south and there's no reason for it now will he stay faithful Willie keep his integrity and he does
 dog keeps his integrity and at the very end he gets everything back but the Lord never tells him he never explains why he just kind of says to jump hey were you there when I set up everything when I created everything it's kind of talks about the Grandeur of his creations and everything but he still never really tells him why and it's that kind of a test can you hang on when things don't make sense and sometimes they don't God tells us in Moses one my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of men's we know is in goal children who choose to be like him I children who choose to be exalted in my mind John this process of of exulting people involve suffering I don't know why it has to involve suffering I know I'd rather a set of suffering I'd rather lay in the hammock all day and drink yummy drinks and then choose to be exhausted but there's something about this.
 that is an easy that involves a lot of change a lot of transformation and those often happen in painful experiences soap for me I take comfort in all of this has a purpose that we know the Lord's end goal We Trust his end goal is exalted children and so I believe that whatever I specifically go through or you specifically go through or whoever their their plan was designed for them
 to get to that end goal there is something that is so helpful about a belief and a faith in God that just says there must be a reason even if you don't get it
 you have this hope that ultimately I will know there must be a reason maybe someday next life all know just that can help us go on just knowing that there's gotta be a reason then maybe I'll struggle my whole lifetime to figure it out maybe I will maybe I won't but there's got to be a reason about I know God loves me. I think it was Viktor Frankl who said it's it's not suffering that hurts us so much it's suffering without purpose so what the gospel does is it gives us a knowledge that there is a purpose in all of this suffering Elder Holland was quick to point out that the Lord didn't ask us to go through this suffering alone he didn't say I'll stay up here while you suffer down there he said yes this process this end goal involve suffering and I will suffer the most of everyone was an elder Holland who said how could we think it would be easy for us when it wasn't easy for him this is the business of of Salvation and exaltation
 it's not easy it involves great difficulty in great suffering he talks about the significance of the Wounded Christ who comes to our rescue one who has chosen at least for now to keep those wounds so that we will know I went through at 2 I went to Earth life too and all the lesson from that even he had to suffer the son of man hath descended below them all
 what are the things that really helped me was a talk that President Oaks gave back in October 2000 called The Challenge to become and we talked about this talk before the purpose of coming to Earth wasn't just to pass a tester to check some check marks it was to become something and suffering can help that let me read something that Orson F Whitney said I know you all have a favorite quotations of Orson if Whitney this is a long time ago but listen to this statement no pain that we suffer no trial that we experience is wasted it ministers to our education to the development of such qualities is patience face fortitude in humility all that we suffer and all that we endure especially when we endure patiently builds up her character's purifies our hearts expand our souls makes us more tender and charitable more worthy to be called the children of God and it is to
 our own suffering Toyland tribulation that we gain the education that we came here to acquire and which will make us more like our father and mother in heaven it helps me to think I'm not just going through something I'm becoming something through all of this sometimes I know you've experienced this Hank we both did we both had deaths in our family in these past couple years you can look at me and say John I know how you feel and I can look at you and say Hank I know how you feel this is how we dealt with the loss of of my mom are with you your your dad your brother the Lord uses us some times when we've been through something and puts us next to somebody who's going through the same thing where we can just be a little bit of help and say that I've been there I know what you're going through and here's the ultimate the Savior saying I've been there I was I know according to the flash to use Alma 711 + 12 what it was like to be on that or that you're on
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